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Mike said:
So last week, Jenn and I found out that we're having a boy! *dances a jig* (Actually, she's having the boy, I just donated the sperm, but I've been yelled at by people when I say Jenn is having a boy, so WE'RE having a boy!) Besides the name debate (which is continuing), we now have to decide whether or not to circumcise the baby. I think we should. Maybe it's because I am and that's what I know, but I think we should do it. Jenn's all worried about the pain it will cause him, but millions of boys have it done and we're all fine. I'm concerned that if we don't have it done that he could get picked on as he gets older for being different. Also, it's a lot less work to clean when that extra skin is gone. Besides, you should see the sonogram picture...............he's hung half way to his knees! (I know that has nothing to do with this, but I felt it was worth mentioning.)
Jenn said:
Watch out, I’m armed with facts on this one! Approximately 56% of all newborn boys - about 1.1 million babies - are circumcised in the United States each year. That is only a little over half. It’s not like it was when you were a child, now almost half of the children his age will not be circumcised. So him not being like everyone else is not a warranted excuse in this case I don’t think. BUT, let’s discuss that anyway for a minute.
Allie’s one ear is a bit flopped down on one side. Ya know, she might get picked on because of that, maybe we should have it medically fixed. Or Allie’s nose might one day go the way of most of us Italians and start to take over her face. Would you want to surgically change her so she looks like everyone else? Or leave her the way she came out, which is perfect. When Allie was diagnosed with a flat spot on the back of her head we decided not to get her fitted with a helmet if it was only cosmetic, meanwhile your talking about cutting off a piece of your son’s penis for a cosmetic reason only. Makes no sense.
I don’t understand the rational of performing an unneeded surgery to remove a healthy body part from an un-consenting person. There is no other human body part we routinely remove before it presents any sign of trouble. Why the one exception?
So last week, Jenn and I found out that we're having a boy! *dances a jig* (Actually, she's having the boy, I just donated the sperm, but I've been yelled at by people when I say Jenn is having a boy, so WE'RE having a boy!) Besides the name debate (which is continuing), we now have to decide whether or not to circumcise the baby. I think we should. Maybe it's because I am and that's what I know, but I think we should do it. Jenn's all worried about the pain it will cause him, but millions of boys have it done and we're all fine. I'm concerned that if we don't have it done that he could get picked on as he gets older for being different. Also, it's a lot less work to clean when that extra skin is gone. Besides, you should see the sonogram picture...............he's hung half way to his knees! (I know that has nothing to do with this, but I felt it was worth mentioning.)
Jenn said:
Watch out, I’m armed with facts on this one! Approximately 56% of all newborn boys - about 1.1 million babies - are circumcised in the United States each year. That is only a little over half. It’s not like it was when you were a child, now almost half of the children his age will not be circumcised. So him not being like everyone else is not a warranted excuse in this case I don’t think. BUT, let’s discuss that anyway for a minute.
Allie’s one ear is a bit flopped down on one side. Ya know, she might get picked on because of that, maybe we should have it medically fixed. Or Allie’s nose might one day go the way of most of us Italians and start to take over her face. Would you want to surgically change her so she looks like everyone else? Or leave her the way she came out, which is perfect. When Allie was diagnosed with a flat spot on the back of her head we decided not to get her fitted with a helmet if it was only cosmetic, meanwhile your talking about cutting off a piece of your son’s penis for a cosmetic reason only. Makes no sense.
I don’t understand the rational of performing an unneeded surgery to remove a healthy body part from an un-consenting person. There is no other human body part we routinely remove before it presents any sign of trouble. Why the one exception?
The reasons of: Because I am, and to look like everyone else are not good enough for me. Your gonna have to come up with something better than that.
Mike Said:
OK, you wanna go there huh? OK. How about the fact that doing it lowers the risk of urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and sexually transmitted diseases. Most studies do show that uncircumcised male infants have about a 10 fold increase in UTIs, (Jenn butts in: that is only for the first year of life.) but the overall risk of an uncircumcised male infant getting a UTI is relatively low, only about 1%. Penile cancer is also more common in uncircumcised men. How about the fact that it's possible to have an infection in the foreskin which could require a circumcision later in life! OR! How about the fact that it will cut down on his chances of contracting HIV in half! Huh! HUH! HUH!?!?!?!
Jenn said:
Well, I’m happy to see that you finally went to a website that has some kind of information on it instead of giving the typical man answer of “I’m the one with the penis and I decide that he should be like me.”
However, those “facts” that you wrote up there are not necessarily facts their studies, and I could come up with a bunch of studies myself that prove every one of those studies wrong. We could go on forever that way because none of that stuff is proven one way or another. However, what I will give you is what both the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics say and that is this:
Even if all of those “facts” that you wrote up there are true, having a female circumcised would have the same affect in reducing UTI’s and lowering the chances for contracting STDs. So why is it in the US that female circumcision is called “genital mutilation” and is outlawed? Why? Because it's barbaric for either gender!
And, the only studies that ARE proven are the ones that show that circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis. Why do that to our son?
All I ask is that you do me a favor and look at real websites like The American Academy of Family Physicians and The American Medical Association (instead of the first one that comes up on the search) and read actual facts before making a uninformed decision about it.
Mike Said:
OK, you wanna go there huh? OK. How about the fact that doing it lowers the risk of urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and sexually transmitted diseases. Most studies do show that uncircumcised male infants have about a 10 fold increase in UTIs, (Jenn butts in: that is only for the first year of life.) but the overall risk of an uncircumcised male infant getting a UTI is relatively low, only about 1%. Penile cancer is also more common in uncircumcised men. How about the fact that it's possible to have an infection in the foreskin which could require a circumcision later in life! OR! How about the fact that it will cut down on his chances of contracting HIV in half! Huh! HUH! HUH!?!?!?!
Jenn said:
Well, I’m happy to see that you finally went to a website that has some kind of information on it instead of giving the typical man answer of “I’m the one with the penis and I decide that he should be like me.”
However, those “facts” that you wrote up there are not necessarily facts their studies, and I could come up with a bunch of studies myself that prove every one of those studies wrong. We could go on forever that way because none of that stuff is proven one way or another. However, what I will give you is what both the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics say and that is this:
"Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn
male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine
neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits
and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being,
parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an
informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and
unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision.
If a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be
provided."
Even if all of those “facts” that you wrote up there are true, having a female circumcised would have the same affect in reducing UTI’s and lowering the chances for contracting STDs. So why is it in the US that female circumcision is called “genital mutilation” and is outlawed? Why? Because it's barbaric for either gender!
And, the only studies that ARE proven are the ones that show that circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis. Why do that to our son?
All I ask is that you do me a favor and look at real websites like The American Academy of Family Physicians and The American Medical Association (instead of the first one that comes up on the search) and read actual facts before making a uninformed decision about it.
OH and P.S. Condoms prevent AIDS, not circumcision, which I will be teaching to both of our children.
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